Is seeing really believing?

Discussion in 'Philosophy & Religion' started by vintage, Dec 16, 2007.

  1. k100

    k100 Active Member

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    seeing is believing but heres an example i just learnt
    if u see fire and someone tells u its hot
    u dont believe and touch it thats not believing
    u believe by knowing the truth and no to see to believe its what is in your heart

    comments plz on what i said hehe wanna see who agrees
     
  2. hiake

    hiake Vardøgr of da E.Twin

    I don't think I actually understand your example.

    I consider "experience" (in your example's case, touching fire) as "seeing"... And most of the time, "seeing"/experiencing IS believing. Of course, one can always make up excuses to convince themselves NOT to believe in what they see (such as seeing your girlfriend intimately going out with another guy, you can THINK it's her long lost twin brother or something) but it doesn't changes the FACT or the EXPERIENCE (from an impartial observer's perspective)

    So I guess I don't agree. Nor do I agree the OP's claim that "seeing is believing" is a lie.
     
  3. adrianc

    adrianc Well-Known Member


    stab. stab. stab ...u getting stab no matter what u say :)

    it is not necesary true what u see. sometimes it is a perception created. for example, there is this idiot that " plays a nice guy " in front of the girls in the gym, but once in the locker room, he talks trash about her . so what she sees is real, but she does not see the " real truth" ...happens alot.
     
  4. hiake

    hiake Vardøgr of da E.Twin

    What can I say, I get my fair share.

    It may not be the "truth" but him "being nice" was a fact, not necessarily a sincere one, but fact nonetheless.

    That's the thing between truth and fact, fact is objective while truth is subjective, there's no telling which one is more "true" than the other, I guess both of them dominate certain part true-ness.
     
  5. xmichelly

    xmichelly Well-Known Member

    that's hecka scary O.O
     
  6. adrianc

    adrianc Well-Known Member

    here we go again :) The infamous hiake on the debate team...definitely not the truth...truth of the matter is, he is NOT nice if he does that. The fact of the truth is he is a malicious evil, two face hypocrite that puts up a false front which fortifies the fact that he is not nice, . -whistle

    yea. i stand my ground :) I win. hehe
     
  7. hiake

    hiake Vardøgr of da E.Twin

    LOL, I never bothered with debate team, too much politics.

    Yes yes, you win. I am sure you can sleep on that. -rolleyes
     
  8. adrianc

    adrianc Well-Known Member

    yikes. thought hiake would put up a better fight then that...and...not fun...<_<

    maybe i go pick on wind and get him wild up about something... -clapclap
     
  9. kdotc

    kdotc 안녕하세요빅뱅K-Dragon입니다

    i haven't met any forum ppl...so r u guys real? lol
     
  10. hiake

    hiake Vardøgr of da E.Twin

    Naw, not in a battle mood today. Maybe another time. You can try talking to MissAngieCheek if you want, she puts up a good fight from what I've heard.

    Not, it's just a bot stringing random words.
     
  11. adrianc

    adrianc Well-Known Member

    hehe...=/yeah she likes to bitch hehe///queen bitch ...

    seriously though, you two have different styles of arguements...if you get my drift,,,sometimes it is fun cus she wants to kick someone in the balls...think it is wind,,,-devil
     
  12. hiake

    hiake Vardøgr of da E.Twin

    Different style? Okay, perhaps I don't want to know. And what's that about wind? -huh

    I guess I missed some colourful exchange on PA...
     
  13. adrianc

    adrianc Well-Known Member


    hehe...wind??? he asked u out on a thread!!! :)

    angie's style: threats(physical) and bitching.
    wind: always trying to please, but once in a while objects, lately resorting to insults and threats , might be cus he studying too much,,,or cus he studying at Mcg and is snobbish now -whistle
    hiake style: wiki it to death and sometimes make use semantics to persuade and convince .

    -lol


    ahaha...here it is...wind posted..post 23. :) hehe.. he asked u out :)

    http://www.dramasian.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25867

    woot woot. hiake...:)
     
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  14. hiake

    hiake Vardøgr of da E.Twin

    Never saw that thread... Not a thread I would frequent for sure :p

    But talking about "studying too much", aren't you guilty of that also? -tongue2

    I totally DO wiki to death... Hmmm, next time I would just say "I pull that information straight from my brain because I just KNOW it" Don't you think semantics are fun? Philosophy101 all over again LOL
     
  15. adrianc

    adrianc Well-Known Member

    missed opportunity...never know, he might be good for u :)


    done with school for now...just messing round these days ...cant u tell I;m so much mature now that I finish U? -lol at least i didnt stomp on UT...Queens the enemy :)

    i still have to see if the redmen plays UT at the arena...maybe I go watch if they play...
     
  16. hiake

    hiake Vardøgr of da E.Twin

    His loss, really -tongue2

    For now? So does that mean you are planning to study some more? That's quite something. And no, I've said before that I know plenty of PhD or PhD candidates (from McG no less) who are extraordinarily immature, so perhaps you belong to that clan? LOL

    UT... I stomp on UT myself once I am done... My best friend at Queen's said she love her school just because she's in it, that's how pathetic it is... As for sports... No clue what you are talking about -lol
     
  17. adrianc

    adrianc Well-Known Member


    hehe...gotta hide these posts before windo finds out I snitch on him :)

    mcgill hockey...http://www.redmenhockey.com/schedule/schedule.shtml it is cheap ...

    mcgill beat toronto 3-2 and also beat queens 10-1. haha...queens is no good this year..

    maybe eventually,,,but a little tired of academia...some of my school mates seriously made a career out of studying but really didnt make any real $$$...i think they are still studying...

    rofl ...comeon,,,stomp on UT? I stomp on IVY league universities (Ut is ivy, right?) just cus I know they good :) not cus they ARE really bad...somehow, somewhere I think u r studying biology or something in the medical field...that right...hehe...I got some questions if you are :)
     
  18. hiake

    hiake Vardøgr of da E.Twin

    Work hard and you may just be able to bury these posts -lol

    Now now, MTLers should be better hockey players than TOn just because the city got frozen up so much each year :p

    I always wanted to make a career out of studying, but knowing myself, it's just asking for trouble... Too much love for procrastination and not enough self-discipline =_=b

    But do go and bother wind with your medical mysteries -tongue2... I haven't study biology in a while now.
     
  19. adrianc

    adrianc Well-Known Member

    okay...why is it that it my thingy moves involuntary up all the time??? ...:) the diaphragm that is :)

    thought maybe someone here would know stuff about supplements for weight training and stuff,,,

    hehe...i say windo is lurking and dont know how to answer cus u iggy his posts,,,u r a heart breaker... -lol
     
  20. hiake

    hiake Vardøgr of da E.Twin

    Uhhhh okay, it's beyond creepy when you do the net talk, that looked like the way a 13-year old girl would talk IMO -_-2

    Me? Heart breaker? I wish.

    But your diaphragm moves up? Do you experience shortness of breath? Weird... Go bother wind with it, he's the guy with the proper training -tongue2