A Human Experiment

Discussion in 'Philosophy & Religion' started by donkeyhit, Mar 11, 2006.

  1. donkeyhit

    donkeyhit Well-Known Member

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    If 2 people were clone and placed into 2 different room (however they would see each other, both room would be exactly the same, they would be fed by machine at the same time same ingredent)... Do you think they would think the same and every movement they be doing be the same?

    (I'll post my opinion after some post)
     
  2. Fadsasfd

    Fadsasfd Member

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    I don't think that control is possible but if it is possible, i believe that their actions will be the same
     
  3. j_29

    j_29 Active Member

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    If they were not allowed to see each other, I believe that their actions will be very similar if not the same. In this case of allowing both to observe each other's actions, their behaviour will differ because human nature will allow them to question, "Why the hell is this guy doing exactly what I'm doing?".
    That's my take... too bad I never took a pyschology course before. =S
     
  4. donkeyhit

    donkeyhit Well-Known Member

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    So therefore, u think every movement they make will be the same as the person on the other side of the wall?
     
  5. goo wak jai

    goo wak jai Well-Known Member

    Um... i think they might not think the same, therefore i think their movements will be different
     
  6. kiki730

    kiki730 Member

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    interesting thoughts guys..
     
  7. tamagodaisuki

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    hmm................i believe whether they can see or not see each other, their movements would still be slightly different. cause everyone just is different - even for clones.
     
  8. shadow Thi3f

    shadow Thi3f Well-Known Member

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    No their movements and their thoughts will be different. They will only share the same personality for example both subjects might be introverts, high on agreeableness, prefers dull colors over bright colors, same level in IQ, prefer quiet environments to noisy/vibrant environments etc... Its almost impossible to have the same thoughts and same movements in every single moment because we are forgetting about certain uncontrollable and unexpected factors in this situational measure. For example: What if the machine that serves the food breaks down for subject A or the machine has a 5 sec delay. It then changes the thought pattern of subject A. subject B would get his food before subject A. Subject B will be focused on eating his food, while Subject A is still waiting for his food. Even though its only a 5 sec delay, thats enough time for a person to shift their attention to something else. This is only one example on how their seemingly similar environments can create different factors that can change their thought patterns.
    This is an impossible experiment to replicate because of the ethical issues of locking up two human beings since birth and observing their behavior. To make this work subject A and subject B's environment and situations has to be exactly the same since birth. That is hard to do because every single detail of every second of their life has to be exactly the same. It's also costly to run this type of longitudinal research.
    The bottom line is that their movements will be similar but not exact. Their thoughts will be similar but not exact. What will be similar is their DNA, traits, and personality.
     
  9. Lenaxia

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    shadow, I agree with you but I don't think you even have to go that far.

    When cell division occurs in either a womb, artificial or natural, the cells' positions become randomly oriented, its a minor detail but it can be extrapolated to a much more abstract point. Because of the differences in the development of two twins they may not even share the same personality. The personality is determined by neural connections formed while the brain is developing. Unless you are able to provide an exact duplicate environment with identical fluid flows, temperatures and nutritional distributions neural connections will develop differently, similar, but still different, and thus behavior differs.

    Why it seems that most twins have similar personalities is because they grow up with very similar stimulants. Behavior can be learned, demonstrated very well by sociopaths/serial killers.
     
  10. shadow Thi3f

    shadow Thi3f Well-Known Member

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    Finally an intelligent answer to this question. I was tired of seeing one sentence answers to this thread.
    As for the twin studies, even twins separated since birth and reunited decades later seem to share the same personalities and interest. Behaviors can be learned but if the environments are somewhat similar, there is a high probability that the separated twins will share very similar personalities. Again the environments has to be somewhat similar for example Twin A lives with his adoptive parents in a small town, in Nebraska and goes to a private school;Whereas Twin B lives with his single father in New jersey and goes to a public school. The environment seems different but one is not more exteme than the other. The twins will share very different behaviors if Twin B was beaten by his father, kicked out of school, lives around drug dealers, and hangs with the neighborhood gang. With that being said babies are born with certain temperments. Im sure you have seen or played with a baby that is very vibrant and comfortable around strangers. Im sure you also played with a baby who cries when its being held by someone else besides his or her parents. Behaviors can be affected by outside factors, but majority of our behavior is detemined by our DNA. Its a combination of our DNA and our environment that detemines what kind of person we will become.
     
  11. ahhamah

    ahhamah Well-Known Member

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    Why would they...?-whistle
     
  12. Sexygundam

    Sexygundam Well-Known Member

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    I think not coz things that move have some kind of random moviement.
     
  13. thereset19

    thereset19 Member

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    i think it would be a little different. cuz everyone has their own way of thinking. the possibilities are limitless
     
  14. dot

    dot Well-Known Member

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    nope, i dun think they will do the same thing
     
  15. hiake

    hiake Vardøgr of da E.Twin

    I doubt their movement will be the same, neither will their thought. They may share similar movements but in a grand scheme they will still be individuals specially because they can see each other "hmm, that guy make a mistake such and such, or that movement is so uncool, I'll just try something else"
    It's my take on this spin-off of the separated-twins experiment.
     
  16. rave13

    rave13 Well-Known Member

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    Never. There is bound to be differences. No matter how similar, no two person can ever be the same.
     
  17. nicole

    nicole Well-Known Member

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    Probably not because their brain wouldn't be the same.
     
  18. Providence

    Providence Well-Known Member

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    ZZZ.

    The point is that hypothetically, these people would be EXACTLY the same.

    And random movement doesn't matter. All the randomness of movement happens at the atomic level. The lowest level at which you'd actually be affected is the higher side of the molecular level, which wouldn't be affected by seemingly random movement.
     
  19. szetor

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    i would think there is too much randomness that goes on in the brain for them to be doing the exact same thing at the exact same time.

    maybe if their brain is connected by a wireless internet chip or something then ok ya.
     
  20. smallrinilady

    smallrinilady Well-Known Member

    they would be very similar, but not the exact same
    because some of your decisions are random

    that would slowly causes changes

    but if the enviorment was an exact same, i still say they would be quite similar